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In this episode, we switch gears from interviewing another family business owner to exploring our own history and how we got to Kuder Consulting Group.

We delve into a unique and nostalgic understanding of small family businesses through the eyes of Connie Kuder, co-founder of Kuder Consulting Group. She has rich stories of growing up in Ohio around farm life and family businesses.

The conversation takes a trip back in time, discussing her family’s significant historical agricultural roots, including the evolution of her family’s farms, the sense of community, working collaboratively, and living in a more simple era.

She shares further aspects of bartering, life before modern technologies, and the challenges and dependencies that came with working in the family business.

You can watch the video version of this episode at https://youtu.be/emPLvmRKrzE

Key moments:

00:00 Introduction to the Episode

00:23 Connie’s Family Business History

00:34 The Role of Agriculture in Family History

02:04 The Importance of Community and Bartering

03:32 The Impact of Isolation and Dependence on Each Other

05:26 Birth and Early Life in Japan

06:09 Changes in Society and Technology Over Time

09:21 The Role of Negotiation in Family Business

10:42 Balancing Family Needs in Business

11:45 Conclusion and Look Ahead

Transcript
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Welcome to another episode

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of Exciting episode.

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Exciting episode of

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celebrating Small family es.

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Yes.

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And in this episode, we're going

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to not be interviewing a guest.

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We're gonna be talking about ourselves

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in our own history a little bit,

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and in the politeness, we're going

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to start with the ladies first.

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So, hi.

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We can talk about Connie's history, right?

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So, Connie, yes.

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Tell me about your.

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History of your, you know, the

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origin story of your family business?

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Well, actually there's two family

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businesses, John, there's, and both

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of 'em are farms in central Ohio.

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Uh, one of 'em, uh, was created

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around the turn of the last century.

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Okay.

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Which side of the business?

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Of the family?

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That would be my father's side.

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Okay.

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As far as I know, I don't

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know beyond that history.

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Okay.

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I'm sure.

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Being America.

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They we're, we're all, uh, you

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know, have agriculture in our roots.

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Okay.

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And then on my, on my mother's side,

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I am, I, I'm going to go ahead and

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say I'm the 10th generation Mm-Hmm.

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That has had an

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association with that Farm.

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Farm.

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Okay.

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Farm.

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And, uh, um, it was given to my

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grandmother as a wedding present.

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And, uh, so she and my grandfather,

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um, moved there when they were

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'cause my brother, my mother was

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not have been married very long Okay.

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Before they had her.

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And, um, and it's grain farms, all

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of them in central Ohio usually

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are, um, corn, soybeans, and wheat.

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Okay.

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And then they rotated those in

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and out and, you know, you, you

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always had, uh, cows and hogs and

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chickens and things like that.

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Thank you.

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I was gonna ask about Yeah, absolutely.

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You always had, you had that as, as

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part of mo mostly for the family.

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It was

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Okay.

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More for food and whatever right.

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For the family resources rather

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than commercial production?

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Correct.

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That was other cousins.

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Okay.

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Other cousins had dairy farms

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and, and things like that, so

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there was a lot of bartering.

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Oh, around, okay.

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That, if you had a, a big crop of,

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let's say something in the garden,

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your tomatoes went crazy that year and

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you could go , and barter it for, a

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couple gallons of milk, hopefully.

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Awesome.

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So that would be one aspect of the extent

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I, I guess the family business economy

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or culture in the, in the community Sure.

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Would be the, that ability.

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To, to barter with family members

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and potentially a, a little

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bit higher level of trust.

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Right, right.

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Because,

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because they're codependent on one

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another through good and, and bad times.

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Well, and my parents didn't even

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leave the county until after

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they graduated from high school.

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Wow.

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Uh, I mean, they were, that,

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you know, they didn't have the

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resources and, um, and, um.

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I'm not even sure of the

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curiosity at some point.

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Mm-Hmm.

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Because, you know, everybody

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was kind of landlocked Mm-Hmm.

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In that area.

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And so they, they didn't, there,

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there wasn't a lot of going out to

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the big cities, so to speak, you know?

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Mm-Hmm.

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And, and going out to restaurants.

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My, I can remember my mother saying,

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you know, she was in her teens

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before she ever saw a restaurant.

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Wow.

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Yeah.

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So that, that, you know,

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that kind of shows the.

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The isolation in some, some respects.

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Mm-Hmm.

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But I also, with insider,

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probably a 10 mile radius.

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Mm-Hmm.

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There was extended family all around.

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Mm-Hmm.

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So you always had like, uh, I

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can remember one time, uh, uh, my

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great-grandfather flipped, uh, a tractor.

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Mm-Hmm.

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And somebody figured out,

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they drove by, figured out.

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Got everybody in there.

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They flipped the tractor back over,

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got him to the hospital, what he

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needed to do, and he was back on

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the tractor like a week later.

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So,

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and that somebody was likely a relative?

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It was a relative, it was

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actually one of his cousins.

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Okay.

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Who, you know, because there

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again, everybody was driving

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between the farms to check on them.

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And, uh, because everybody kind

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of had a hundred acre lots mm-Hmm.

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Or plots, so to speak.

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Hmm.

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And, um, my great aunt and uncle

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lived right across the street.

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You could see, you know,

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what, half a mile at that.

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Mm-Hmm.

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You've been up there.

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Um, so, but they kinda

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looked after each other.

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Mm-Hmm.

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There was a, there was a more

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sense of community I think.

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Than anything else.

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And, and I, I'm, I'll say probably,

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um, there wasn't, of course,

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they didn't have the level of

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medical care that we have today.

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Oh yeah.

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The hospital was, I think you've

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said that the hospital was very

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small and very, very mm-Hmm.

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Um, limited resources in itself.

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So people had to look out for

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one another in that sense.

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Well, and I was the first on both

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sides, my, both sides of my, my parents.

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Mm-Hmm.

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That was born in a hospital.

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Wow, congratulations.

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The first, the first time, and I was

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the first one that was born outta the

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United States in coup, probably at

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least a hundred and 150 200 years.

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Okay, so explain that for our

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listeners.

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Okay.

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I was born in Japan.

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My father was military, and um, he left

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the family farm for the first time ever.

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Mm-Hmm.

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And became a, went into the Navy as a,

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and married my mother on the, kind of the

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way outta town before he got shipped out.

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And, um, so he went on and had

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never been on an airplane before.

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Mm-Hmm.

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Had never been, uh, on a bus before.

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Had never been on a ship before.

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Wow.

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So he, and, and went to California

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for, for his, his basic training.

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So what a eye-opening experience for him.

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Yeah.

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And, and then what to do and

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then to go to a foreign country.

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Yeah.

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And so in your lifetime Mm-Hmm.

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Um, you know, thinking about the, um,

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just how society has changed and how, um.

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And you, the modern, the technology.

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Mm-Hmm.

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Technology has, you

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know, modernized things.

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I mean, I, I know you've talked about

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your, your very early days there was

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no, there was not indoor plumbing

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in either one of the farmhouses.

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Right.

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Your grandparents' houses.

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Right.

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And, and you know, that,

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that was later added.

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And, and you know, of course now

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we've got, right.

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And the farmhouse that we bought

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that, that my parents, we right

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after, uh, my brother was born.

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No, we, we, I, I can remember sitting

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in a tub and on the back porch taking

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a bath, and that was part of the

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rural, the more, you know, people

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in, in, for example, in Dayton,

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probably did have indoor plumbing.

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Oh

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yeah.

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Everybody did.

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And in, in town.

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In the town, yeah.

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They had it on both towns, but

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out in the rural country, no, you

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didn't have the infrastructure.

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Uhuh, Uhuh.

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It was all well water.

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You know, you had subject tanks and, uh,

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and you Oh, and there was no trash pickup.

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Mm-Hmm.

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I can remember my grandmother

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burning everything.

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Yes, yes.

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Including 10 cans.

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They have known people that still do that.

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Exactly.

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Exactly.

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But yeah, so it was, it was kind of

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that, and, and on both sides it was, it

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was very, um, very hands-on huge gardens

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and they grew everything thinking about

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the, you know, the family business.

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Mm-Hmm.

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Then versus family businesses today

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seems like one of the things to.

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To really, to kind of celebrate is, is

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that that sense of community that, um,

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codependent, I don't like the word

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codependent.

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Dependency.

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Dependency, yeah.

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It really isn't the,

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depending on one another and the,

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and the support, the community

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support within the family that.

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Um, you know, of sharing

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of resources and, um, yeah.

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And knowledge and Right.

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And, you know, you, you know,

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you were all, you were all very

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much connected, whereas we Yes.

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You know, we've become such a mobile

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society today that people in a,

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in a extended family, instead of

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living within a five mile radius,

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they may be scattered across the

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entire country.

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Correct.

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And I, and I can't even remember

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speaking of that, even, um,

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the community phone lines.

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Oh, the party lines.

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The party lines, yes.

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And everybody had their own ring.

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I remember.

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Party lines and, and

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they had their own ring.

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Mm-Hmm.

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But that didn't make, make any

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difference because I could remember

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my grandmother slipping in that chair.

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She knew how to put her hand

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over that, that, uh, microphone.

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Microphone.

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Mm-Hmm.

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And listen in.

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Listen in.

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And she could remember.

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And she knew who it was, you know,

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and they're, again, small community.

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Um, like going to church in

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the, in the next little town.

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And if you weren't there on Sunday, uh,

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there was a call that was going out.

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It was a phone tree.

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Oh yeah.

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You were, you know, are you okay?

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What's going on?

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So,

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you know, it was.

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And again, very community oriented.

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We'll get into the family business

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stuff, but it was, it was both checking

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on making, it was like a safety check.

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Correct.

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You know, if you weren't in church

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there, there might be something wrong.

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Correct.

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You might be hurt, but there was also a

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little bit of reinforcement of Oh yeah.

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You, you needed to be there.

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Right.

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And, and, uh, we're, we're

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letting you know, we know you

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weren't.

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Right.

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You know, right.

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Kind of thing.

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Well, and I think with the

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family business, getting back

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to that point, negotiations,

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it was a constant negotiation.

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Not only with, um, you know, the.

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The people that you were doing

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business with outside, you know,

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selling your grain too and things like

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that, trying to get the best prices.

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Mm-hmm.

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You were also negotiating

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with other farmers.

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I need you to have to have this part.

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Um.

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You know, I need your

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combine on this date.

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Can you bring it over

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and we can work together?

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Okay.

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Who?

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Everybody pulled resource.

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Yeah, everybody pulled it because

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you couldn't afford your own

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equipment, especially with.

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You know, you're talking every, everybody

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couldn't afford, uh, their own, combine.

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Combine for, for

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a hundred acres.

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Exactly.

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When one combine is capable

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of doing a thousand acres

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multiple.

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Exactly.

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Or more.

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Okay.

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So what you did, it wasn't a

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rental type of thing, but it was

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more of a barter and or more of a.

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An awareness that we could help each

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other.

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Okay.

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Or did they have shared ownership?

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Might, might.

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Several members of the

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family, they might have

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co-own What piece of equipment?

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Well, they did later on in my world.

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Mm-Hmm.

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I, I knew about that.

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Okay.

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But, um, but in the, in, um, in every,

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it was just a, a cooperative situation.

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And of course with my grandfather working.

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You know, for my grandmother to

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a point, he had to be quite aware

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because he also had his family up

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the road that he was also helping.

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Mm-Hmm.

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You know, farm.

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Mm-Hmm.

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So, so that was a whole nother

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thing that, that was going on.

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Mm-Hmm.

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That he had to, uh, he had to balance.

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Her side and her needs in that farm and

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his family, his parents were getting older

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and balancing that and, and working with

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that too, and working with his siblings.

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Something

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probably a lot of people,

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family businesses, members,

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owners could relate to today.

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Absolutely.

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Because, you know, if you're in a family

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business that's, well, you've, you've

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lived that being my wife and being Mm-Hmm.

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A daughter-in-law in our business.

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Mm-Hmm.

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In our family business and our family.

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Mm-Hmm.

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You know, they.

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Your family had needs, but you

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know, you lived with my family, so.

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Right.

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There's

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always that dynamic.

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Right.

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Exactly.

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You always have to, it's a

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balancing act constantly.

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So I hope that this has

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been an interesting insight.

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I think we're, we could go on and on,

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but, oh yeah, there's

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lots, we'll return to this for many

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times, so, um, we look forward to.

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Sharing about my family business

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in another episode and then,

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uh, some of the, the challenges

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that we've seen in over time.

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Oh yeah.

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So thank you very much for listening,

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and we will see you in another episode.

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Thanks.

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